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I would like to switch to xchat-gnome for rpl:devel and rpl:2 because
xchat-gnome has better integration with the gnome desktop. In doing this
we would drop xchat from the distro and move it to contrib.

What do people think about this?

RPL-700 is the issue that relates to this in JIRA. We are going to setup
an rpl-desktop-team user inside JIRA that things like this can get
assigned to in the future.

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Elliot Peele wrote:
> I would like to switch to xchat-gnome for rpl:devel and rpl:2 because
> xchat-gnome has better integration with the gnome desktop. In doing this
> we would drop xchat from the distro and move it to contrib.
> 

Why not just move it to group-os? I'm sure KDE users would want it
available and we do support KDE...

-smithj


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On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 13:11 -0400, Jonathan Smith wrote:
> Elliot Peele wrote:
> > I would like to switch to xchat-gnome for rpl:devel and rpl:2 because
> > xchat-gnome has better integration with the gnome desktop. In doing this
> > we would drop xchat from the distro and move it to contrib.
> > 
> 
> Why not just move it to group-os? I'm sure KDE users would want it
> available and we do support KDE...

mkj said that if we were going to switch, he didn't want to keep both.
We have done this in some other cases where we have two apps that
provide similar functionality. We ship evince, but not gv.

Elliot

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Elliot Peele wrote:
> mkj said that if we were going to switch, he didn't want to keep both.
> We have done this in some other cases where we have two apps that
> provide similar functionality. We ship evince, but not gv.

Do we ship a KDE/QT irc client? If so, I say we do it.

-smithj

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The Kde client is called konversation.  I'm not sure if it's presently
in rpl:1.  It certainly is not in rpl:2.  It was recently split from
the main kde tarballs.

On 10/10/06, Jonathan Smith <smithj@rpath.com> wrote:
> Elliot Peele wrote:
> > mkj said that if we were going to switch, he didn't want to keep both.
> > We have done this in some other cases where we have two apps that
> > provide similar functionality. We ship evince, but not gv.
>
> Do we ship a KDE/QT irc client? If so, I say we do it.
>
> -smithj
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I am surely in favor of switching to xchat-gnome.

--Ken

On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 15:01 -0400, Joseph Tate wrote:
> The Kde client is called konversation.  I'm not sure if it's presently
> in rpl:1.  It certainly is not in rpl:2.  It was recently split from
> the main kde tarballs.
> 
> On 10/10/06, Jonathan Smith <smithj@rpath.com> wrote:
> > Elliot Peele wrote:
> > > mkj said that if we were going to switch, he didn't want to keep both.
> > > We have done this in some other cases where we have two apps that
> > > provide similar functionality. We ship evince, but not gv.
> >
> > Do we ship a KDE/QT irc client? If so, I say we do it.
> >
> > -smithj
> > _______________________________________________
> > rpl-desktop-team mailing list
> > rpl-desktop-team@lists.rpath.com
> > http://lists.rpath.com/mailman/listinfo/rpl-desktop-team
> >
> 
> 


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     [ http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-700?page=all ]

Jonathan Smith reassigned RPL-700:
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    Assignee: rPL Desktop Integration Team  (was: Elliot Peele)

> should switch to xchat-gnome
> ----------------------------
>
>                 Key: RPL-700
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-700
>             Project: rPath Linux
>          Issue Type: New Feature
>      Security Level: Public(Viewable by anyone) 
>          Components: xchat
>    Affects Versions: rPath Linux 2, rPath Linux Development
>            Reporter: Elliot Peele
>         Assigned To: rPL Desktop Integration Team
>            Priority: Minor
>             Fix For: rPath Linux 2, rPath Linux Development
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>
> We should switch to shipping xchat-gnome rather than xchat because xchat-gnome has better integration with gnome and seems to be the more popular of the two amongst xchat users. Xchat would still be available in contrib.

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    BEAVERTON, Ore., Oct. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- Open Source Development Labs
(OSDL), the global consortium dedicated to accelerating the adoption of
Linux(R) and open source software, and freedesktop.org, the open source
project focused on interoperability and shared technology for X Window
System desktops, today announced the general availability of Portland 1.0.
The software is available for download at
http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/ .
    The highly anticipated general release of Portland 1.0, the first set
of common interfaces for GNOME and KDE desktop environments, today is
available in major community distributions including Debian, Fedora and
OpenSUSE. Red Flag and Xandros have committed to including Portland 1.0 in
their next releases and others are expected to follow. Trolltech's Qt 4.2,
the primary KDE application framework, is also using Portland 1.0 to
provide developers with tighter integration with the GNOME desktop
environment.
    "For the first time, ISVs are able to port their applications to Linux
regardless of desktop environment. This release gives ISVs the opportunity
to increase their customer base and for users to gain access to new
applications," said Stuart Cohen, CEO of OSDL. "Portland is a success story
for vendors, developers and users alike -- it's a perfect example of how a
common need, combined with a distinct community interest, produces
collaboration and increased adoption of technology."
    "Portland 1.0 opens the way to the creation of a rich Linux application
infrastructure that will address the diverse needs of our business
clients," said Andreas Typaldos, Xandros CEO. "We will see an accelerated
rollout of real-world Linux solutions since third party software developers
can now integrate their applications regardless of the desktop deployed."
    Portland 1.0 includes a set of command line tools designed to help
Independent Software Vendors (ISVs) install and integrate their
applications in the major Linux desktop environments. The programming
interfaces, built to specifications established by freedesktop.org, provide
developers with an easy method for executing the most common installation
and integration tasks. For a full list of Portland 1.0 features, please
visit http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/ .
    "Compatibility for educational applications and other free software
projects across graphical desktop environments is critical, especially as
we customize menus to include applications from other products. This makes
the job OSDL is doing with the Portland Project so important for the
community," said Agustin Benito, development coordinator for mEDUXa, the
educational Linux distribution of the Canary Islands Government.
    The Portland Project was born from the first OSDL Desktop Architects
Meeting in December 2005. A Portland preview was made available in April
2006 and beta versions were released throughout the summer. The Portland
Project is expected to be included in the Linux Standard Base, the industry
standard for interoperability between applications and the Linux platform.
    OSDL's industry-wide initiatives bring Linux ecosystem participants
together to identify challenges and execute collective solutions. OSDL has
a track record of success with its initiatives and today sponsors four
technical working groups: Desktop Linux, Carrier Grade Linux, Mobile Linux
and Data Center Linux. The Labs also sponsor legal initiatives including
the Patent Commons Project and, in partnership with the United States
Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO), the Open Source as Prior Art (OSAPA)
initiative.
    About freedesktop.org
    freedesktop.org was formed in March 2000 to encourage cooperation among
open source desktops for the X Window System. An X desktop is a graphical
environment designed to give a technologically advanced, user-friendly face
to the X Window System running on UNIX-like operating systems. Most X
desktops also provide a development infrastructure for writing applications
that integrate well with the desktop.
    About Open Source Development Labs (OSDL)
    OSDL -- sponsor of Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel, and
other key developers -- is dedicated to accelerating the growth and
adoption of Linux-based operating systems in the enterprise. Founded in
2000 and supported by a global consortium of major Linux customers and IT
industry leaders, OSDL is a nonprofit organization that provides
state-of-the-art computing and test facilities to developers around the
world. With offices in China, Japan and the United States, OSDL sponsors
legal and development projects to advance open source software as well as
initiatives for Linux systems in telecommunications, in the data center and
on enterprise desktops. Visit OSDL on the Web at: http://www.osdl.org/ .
    NOTE:  OSDL is a trademark of Open Source Development Labs, Inc. Linux is
a trademark of Linus Torvalds. Third party marks and brands are the property
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Linux(R) and open source software, and freedesktop.org, the open source
project focused on interoperability and shared technology for X Window
System desktops, today announced the general availability of Portland 1.0.
The software is available for download at
<a href="http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/" target="_new">http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/</a> .
    The highly anticipated general release of Portland 1.0, the first set
of common interfaces for GNOME and KDE desktop environments, today is
available in major community distributions including Debian, Fedora and
OpenSUSE. Red Flag and Xandros have committed to including Portland 1.0 in
their next releases and others are expected to follow. Trolltech's Qt 4.2,
the primary KDE application framework, is also using Portland 1.0 to
provide developers with tighter integration with the GNOME desktop
environment.
    "For the first time, ISVs are able to port their applications to Linux
regardless of desktop environment. This release gives ISVs the opportunity
to increase their customer base and for users to gain access to new
applications," said Stuart Cohen, CEO of OSDL. "Portland is a success story
for vendors, developers and users alike -- it's a perfect example of how a
common need, combined with a distinct community interest, produces
collaboration and increased adoption of technology."
    "Portland 1.0 opens the way to the creation of a rich Linux application
infrastructure that will address the diverse needs of our business
clients," said Andreas Typaldos, Xandros CEO. "We will see an accelerated
rollout of real-world Linux solutions since third party software developers
can now integrate their applications regardless of the desktop deployed."
    Portland 1.0 includes a set of command line tools designed to help
Independent Software Vendors (ISVs) install and integrate their
applications in the major Linux desktop environments. The programming
interfaces, built to specifications established by freedesktop.org, provide
developers with an easy method for executing the most common installation
and integration tasks. For a full list of Portland 1.0 features, please
visit <a href="http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/" target="_new">http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/</a> .
    "Compatibility for educational applications and other free software
projects across graphical desktop environments is critical, especially as
we customize menus to include applications from other products. This makes
the job OSDL is doing with the Portland Project so important for the
community," said Agustin Benito, development coordinator for mEDUXa, the
educational Linux distribution of the Canary Islands Government.
    The Portland Project was born from the first OSDL Desktop Architects
Meeting in December 2005. A Portland preview was made available in April
2006 and beta versions were released throughout the summer. The Portland
Project is expected to be included in the Linux Standard Base, the industry
standard for interoperability between applications and the Linux platform.
    OSDL's industry-wide initiatives bring Linux ecosystem participants
together to identify challenges and execute collective solutions. OSDL has
a track record of success with its initiatives and today sponsors four
technical working groups: Desktop Linux, Carrier Grade Linux, Mobile Linux
and Data Center Linux. The Labs also sponsor legal initiatives including
the Patent Commons Project and, in partnership with the United States
Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO), the Open Source as Prior Art (OSAPA)
initiative.
    About freedesktop.org
    freedesktop.org was formed in March 2000 to encourage cooperation among
open source desktops for the X Window System. An X desktop is a graphical
environment designed to give a technologically advanced, user-friendly face
to the X Window System running on UNIX-like operating systems. Most X
desktops also provide a development infrastructure for writing applications
that integrate well with the desktop.
    About Open Source Development Labs (OSDL)
    OSDL -- sponsor of Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel, and
other key developers -- is dedicated to accelerating the growth and
adoption of Linux-based operating systems in the enterprise. Founded in
2000 and supported by a global consortium of major Linux customers and IT
industry leaders, OSDL is a nonprofit organization that provides
state-of-the-art computing and test facilities to developers around the
world. With offices in China, Japan and the United States, OSDL sponsors
legal and development projects to advance open source software as well as
initiatives for Linux systems in telecommunications, in the data center and
on enterprise desktops. Visit OSDL on the Web at: <a
 href="http://www.osdl.org/" target="_new">http://www.osdl.org/</a> .
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We should really look into using xdg-utils to install the icons and
desktop files.  That would of course be a conary change, and what we do
now might be sufficient.  But would be worth exploring.

--Ken

On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 18:55 +0100, AntÃ³nio Meireles wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>      Portland Project Releases Unified Interface for Desktop Graphical
>        Environments, Included in Major Linux Community Distributions
> 
>     BEAVERTON, Ore., Oct. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- Open Source Development Labs
> (OSDL), the global consortium dedicated to accelerating the adoption of
> Linux(R) and open source software, and freedesktop.org, the open source
> project focused on interoperability and shared technology for X Window
> System desktops, today announced the general availability of Portland 1.0.
> The software is available for download at
> http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/ .
>     The highly anticipated general release of Portland 1.0, the first set
> of common interfaces for GNOME and KDE desktop environments, today is
> available in major community distributions including Debian, Fedora and
> OpenSUSE. Red Flag and Xandros have committed to including Portland 1.0 in
> their next releases and others are expected to follow. Trolltech's Qt 4.2,
> the primary KDE application framework, is also using Portland 1.0 to
> provide developers with tighter integration with the GNOME desktop
> environment.
>     "For the first time, ISVs are able to port their applications to Linux
> regardless of desktop environment. This release gives ISVs the opportunity
> to increase their customer base and for users to gain access to new
> applications," said Stuart Cohen, CEO of OSDL. "Portland is a success story
> for vendors, developers and users alike -- it's a perfect example of how a
> common need, combined with a distinct community interest, produces
> collaboration and increased adoption of technology."
>     "Portland 1.0 opens the way to the creation of a rich Linux application
> infrastructure that will address the diverse needs of our business
> clients," said Andreas Typaldos, Xandros CEO. "We will see an accelerated
> rollout of real-world Linux solutions since third party software developers
> can now integrate their applications regardless of the desktop deployed."
>     Portland 1.0 includes a set of command line tools designed to help
> Independent Software Vendors (ISVs) install and integrate their
> applications in the major Linux desktop environments. The programming
> interfaces, built to specifications established by freedesktop.org, provide
> developers with an easy method for executing the most common installation
> and integration tasks. For a full list of Portland 1.0 features, please
> visit http://portland.freedesktop.org/wiki/ .
>     "Compatibility for educational applications and other free software
> projects across graphical desktop environments is critical, especially as
> we customize menus to include applications from other products. This makes
> the job OSDL is doing with the Portland Project so important for the
> community," said Agustin Benito, development coordinator for mEDUXa, the
> educational Linux distribution of the Canary Islands Government.
>     The Portland Project was born from the first OSDL Desktop Architects
> Meeting in December 2005. A Portland preview was made available in April
> 2006 and beta versions were released throughout the summer. The Portland
> Project is expected to be included in the Linux Standard Base, the industry
> standard for interoperability between applications and the Linux platform.
>     OSDL's industry-wide initiatives bring Linux ecosystem participants
> together to identify challenges and execute collective solutions. OSDL has
> a track record of success with its initiatives and today sponsors four
> technical working groups: Desktop Linux, Carrier Grade Linux, Mobile Linux
> and Data Center Linux. The Labs also sponsor legal initiatives including
> the Patent Commons Project and, in partnership with the United States
> Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO), the Open Source as Prior Art (OSAPA)
> initiative.
>     About freedesktop.org
>     freedesktop.org was formed in March 2000 to encourage cooperation among
> open source desktops for the X Window System. An X desktop is a graphical
> environment designed to give a technologically advanced, user-friendly face
> to the X Window System running on UNIX-like operating systems. Most X
> desktops also provide a development infrastructure for writing applications
> that integrate well with the desktop.
>     About Open Source Development Labs (OSDL)
>     OSDL -- sponsor of Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel, and
> other key developers -- is dedicated to accelerating the growth and
> adoption of Linux-based operating systems in the enterprise. Founded in
> 2000 and supported by a global consortium of major Linux customers and IT
> industry leaders, OSDL is a nonprofit organization that provides
> state-of-the-art computing and test facilities to developers around the
> world. With offices in China, Japan and the United States, OSDL sponsors
> legal and development projects to advance open source software as well as
> initiatives for Linux systems in telecommunications, in the data center and
> on enterprise desktops. Visit OSDL on the Web at: http://www.osdl.org/ .
>     NOTE:  OSDL is a trademark of Open Source Development Labs, Inc. Linux is
> a trademark of Linus Torvalds. Third party marks and brands are the property
> of their respective holders.
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include konversation in rpl:devel
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                 Key: RPL-709
                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-709
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    Status: Release Backlog  (was: Triage)

> include konversation in rpl:devel
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> include konversation in rpl:devel
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>                 Key: RPL-709
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-709
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> should switch to xchat-gnome
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> red is the default window border color
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> default gnome theme is ugly....red is not a good color
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> red is the default window border color
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> red is the default window border color
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> Install Selenium on our Windows and Mac OS X boxes + automate compatibility testing
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> include libxcb
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Jeff Uphoff updated RPL-822:
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    Status: Accepted Backlog  (was: In Progress)

mkj is chasing this down right now.

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Forgot to note that we updated libxslt to 1.1.19.  That changed the failure behavior somewhat, but it did not solve the problem:  xsltproc now SEGV's on a different file.

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Hacked src/Makefile.in to not regenerate already-generated source, resulting in a successful test build.

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> printproto, libXp, libXprintUtil and libXprintAppUtil are all related to supporting Xprint.  Xprint is regarded as a disaster by most of the X.Org community.  Fedora's current spec file for libXp has comments at the top indicating it is deprecated & slotted for removal.  I believe it makes sense not to include them in rPL 2.  The only possible reason to include them is to support ancient applications that haven't moved to newer APIs such as GTK+ or Qt.  Is there a way to run a conary rq to see if there are any apps that link against these libraries?
> xdpyinfo, xlogo, xman, and xmore in rpl:devel currently have their buildRequires set to require some of these libraries.  I believe all of these applications will build without these libraries, albeit possibly without printing support, but I would argue there are more modern replacements for these applications that can be used if you require printing support.

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Looking for comment from the rPath Linux Desktop Integration Team on this suggested plan of action

> don't include printproto, libXp & friends in rPL 2
> --------------------------------------------------
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>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-843
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> printproto, libXp, libXprintUtil and libXprintAppUtil are all related to supporting Xprint.  Xprint is regarded as a disaster by most of the X.Org community.  Fedora's current spec file for libXp has comments at the top indicating it is deprecated & slotted for removal.  I believe it makes sense not to include them in rPL 2.  The only possible reason to include them is to support ancient applications that haven't moved to newer APIs such as GTK+ or Qt.  Is there a way to run a conary rq to see if there are any apps that link against these libraries?
> xdpyinfo, xlogo, xman, and xmore in rpl:devel currently have their buildRequires set to require some of these libraries.  I believe all of these applications will build without these libraries, albeit possibly without printing support, but I would argue there are more modern replacements for these applications that can be used if you require printing support.

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I would be in favor of dropping them.

> don't include printproto, libXp & friends in rPL 2
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> printproto, libXp, libXprintUtil and libXprintAppUtil are all related to supporting Xprint.  Xprint is regarded as a disaster by most of the X.Org community.  Fedora's current spec file for libXp has comments at the top indicating it is deprecated & slotted for removal.  I believe it makes sense not to include them in rPL 2.  The only possible reason to include them is to support ancient applications that haven't moved to newer APIs such as GTK+ or Qt.  Is there a way to run a conary rq to see if there are any apps that link against these libraries?
> xdpyinfo, xlogo, xman, and xmore in rpl:devel currently have their buildRequires set to require some of these libraries.  I believe all of these applications will build without these libraries, albeit possibly without printing support, but I would argue there are more modern replacements for these applications that can be used if you require printing support.

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Any thoughts from the rPath Linux Desktop Integration Team on this issue?

> add graphviz to the distro
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>                 Key: RPL-834
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> While building libxcb, generating the doxygen documentation complains about not having "dot" available.  This app comes from the graphviz package.  According to Jeff Uphoff a few other applications that use doxygen may also want dot.  graphviz is licensed under the Common Public License 1.0.

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xedit fixed in xedit:source=/conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.2-2

> don't include printproto, libXp & friends in rPL 2
> --------------------------------------------------
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> printproto, libXp, libXprintUtil and libXprintAppUtil are all related to supporting Xprint.  Xprint is regarded as a disaster by most of the X.Org community.  Fedora's current spec file for libXp has comments at the top indicating it is deprecated & slotted for removal.  I believe it makes sense not to include them in rPL 2.  The only possible reason to include them is to support ancient applications that haven't moved to newer APIs such as GTK+ or Qt.  Is there a way to run a conary rq to see if there are any apps that link against these libraries?
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no docs impact - closing...

> include libxcb
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> include libxcb
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> XCB now has an official stable release
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.freedesktop.xorg/13319

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> include libxcb
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Michael K. Johnson commented on RPL-834:
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Let's add it.

> add graphviz to the distro
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Jonathan Smith reassigned RPL-834:
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    Assignee: Jonathan Smith  (was: rPath Linux Team)

> add graphviz to the distro
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                Status: Accepted Backlog  (was: Release Backlog)
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> add graphviz to the distro
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> While building libxcb, generating the doxygen documentation complains about not having "dot" available.  This app comes from the graphviz package.  According to Jeff Uphoff a few other applications that use doxygen may also want dot.  graphviz is licensed under the Common Public License 1.0.

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python crypt module broken
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                 Key: RPL-881
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{noformat}
[elliot@enki ~]$ python
Python 2.4.4 (#2, Dec 16 2006, 20:46:38) 
[GCC 4.1.1] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import crypt
Traceback (most recent call last):
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ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/cryptmodule.so: undefined symbol: crypt
{noformat}

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> python crypt module broken
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> {noformat}
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Work on RPL-834 started by Jonathan Smith.

> add graphviz to the distro
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> While building libxcb, generating the doxygen documentation complains about not having "dot" available.  This app comes from the graphviz package.  According to Jeff Uphoff a few other applications that use doxygen may also want dot.  graphviz is licensed under the Common Public License 1.0.

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            Time Spent: 30 minutes
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> add graphviz to the distro
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>                 Key: RPL-834
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> While building libxcb, generating the doxygen documentation complains about not having "dot" available.  This app comes from the graphviz package.  According to Jeff Uphoff a few other applications that use doxygen may also want dot.  graphviz is licensed under the Common Public License 1.0.

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> add graphviz to the distro
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>                 Key: RPL-834
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> While building libxcb, generating the doxygen documentation complains about not having "dot" available.  This app comes from the graphviz package.  According to Jeff Uphoff a few other applications that use doxygen may also want dot.  graphviz is licensed under the Common Public License 1.0.

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no docs impact - closing...

> add graphviz to the distro
> --------------------------
>
>                 Key: RPL-834
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-834
>             Project: rPath Linux
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>   Original Estimate: 1 hour
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>  Remaining Estimate: 30 minutes
>
> While building libxcb, generating the doxygen documentation complains about not having "dot" available.  This app comes from the graphviz package.  According to Jeff Uphoff a few other applications that use doxygen may also want dot.  graphviz is licensed under the Common Public License 1.0.

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> add graphviz to the distro
> --------------------------
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>             Project: rPath Linux
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> While building libxcb, generating the doxygen documentation complains about not having "dot" available.  This app comes from the graphviz package.  According to Jeff Uphoff a few other applications that use doxygen may also want dot.  graphviz is licensed under the Common Public License 1.0.

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> add graphviz to the distro
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> red is the default window border color
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> default gnome theme is ugly....red is not a good color
> do we really want red borders?

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> how will rpl:2 deal with proprietary graphics drivers ... 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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> I understand that out of the box rpl:2 is a pure OSS distro, shipping only with opensource components. that said, if it wants to be  taken seriously as a desktop contender steps must be taken to allow users thru conary to install third-party graphics drivers smoothly, without resorting to hacks. 
> So after an irc chat with David Christian, i'm bringing this issue to wider discussion - The issue, in current rpl:1 is simple - Both nvidia and ati drivers want to overwrite some Mesa/xorg files (libglx related) and conary won 't allow that. The road we have taken in foresight after much talk with all the usual suspects - dugan, msw, mkj - was to follow a dugan's idea and get a flavoured group-dist and distro-release combo. 
> So, in our approach by default both group-dist and distro release are ['!nvidia,!ati'] forcing the standard xorg-server and Mesa packages to be installed. When any of the flavours get activated Mesa and xorg-server are reinstalled in the corresponding flavour which eliminates the current file conflicts. 
> This method isn 't  pretty but proved to work to us in the last months. So, what i propose is having rpl:2 and foresight to share this solution (which allows for a single xorg package base) or get some way of conary handling this, as it is critical, from a desktop user point of view. 
> references - look at group-dist, xorg-server, Mesa and distro-release in the fl:1 repo

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I suspect that the derived package work that is underway in Conary (but not yet ready) will be the cleanest way to deal with this overall.

> how will rpl:2 deal with proprietary graphics drivers ... 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>
> I understand that out of the box rpl:2 is a pure OSS distro, shipping only with opensource components. that said, if it wants to be  taken seriously as a desktop contender steps must be taken to allow users thru conary to install third-party graphics drivers smoothly, without resorting to hacks. 
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Elliot Peele updated RPL-903:
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      Status: Release Backlog  (was: Triage)
    Assignee: rPL Desktop Integration Team  (was: Michael K. Johnson)

> hald is very crashy
> -------------------
>
>                 Key: RPL-903
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-903
>             Project: rPath Linux
>          Issue Type: Bug
>      Security Level: Public(Viewable by anyone) 
>          Components: hal
>    Affects Versions: rPath Linux 2, rPath Linux Development, rPath Linux 2 - alpha 2
>            Reporter: Elliot Peele
>         Assigned To: rPL Desktop Integration Team
>            Priority: Critical
>
> With hald running, I tried to run hal-device-manager. This caused hald to crash and resulted in the following traceback. I have noticed that hald seems to crash on dbus events, so this is more than likely a problem between hald and dbus.
> {noformat}
> [root@enki mnt]# hal-device-manager 
> Introspect error: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/hal-device-manager", line 20, in ?
>     DeviceManager()
>   File "/usr/share/hal/device-manager/DeviceManager.py", line 87, in __init__
>     self.update_device_list()
>   File "/usr/share/hal/device-manager/DeviceManager.py", line 187, in update_device_list
>     self.virtual_root = self.build_device_tree()
>   File "/usr/share/hal/device-manager/DeviceManager.py", line 258, in build_device_tree
>     properties = device_dbus_obj.GetAllProperties(dbus_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device")
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 25, in __call__
>     ret = self._proxy_method (*args, **keywords)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 102, in __call__
>     reply_message = self._connection.send_with_reply_and_block(message, timeout)
>   File "dbus_bindings.pyx", line 455, in dbus_bindings.Connection.send_with_reply_and_block
> dbus_bindings.DBusException: The name org.freedesktop.Hal was not provided by any .service files
> {noformat}

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Michael K. Johnson updated RPL-926:
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I'd like to ask the whole desktop integration team to audit the font set and make a suggestion for the best default set.

> Fonts in RPL2
> -------------
>
>                 Key: RPL-926
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-926
>             Project: rPath Linux
>          Issue Type: New Feature
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>            Reporter: Pavel Volkovitskiy
>         Assigned To: rPL Desktop Integration Team
>
> There is no good fonts in rpl:devel afaik, but this really important for desktop
> so i suggest to add DejaVu fonts (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fonts/DejaVu) and make it default fonts
> (now packaged as dejavu-ttf in contrib)
> also there is very clean fixed width font called terminus (http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html)
> (now packaged as  terminus-font in contrib)
> There is one issue with terminus.. it's bitmap font and bitmap fonts disabled in fontconfig by default in rpl:devel afaik (am i'm wrong?)
> so, i'm not sure what to do with this, but the first thing i'm doing after system install - install terminus for konsole/other terminal

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Well i'd for the default go to  DejaVu too. regarding the fixed font
both Bitstream Vera sans Mono or terminus are fine to me.

That said, and since this is ultimately about choice we should have a
reasonable group-fonts, at install time, available that packages common
and free to use fonts available. For more exotic use cases  a
group-fonts-extra could be done.

Meanwhile, IMHO internationalization is critical, so support out of the
box for a broad group of languages is needed. a  good start is done
already in 
http://www.rpath.com/rbuilder/repos/foresight/troveInfo?t=group-extra-fonts

All the Best,


António


Michael K. Johnson (JIRA) wrote:
>      [ http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-926?page=all ]
>
> Michael K. Johnson updated RPL-926:
> -----------------------------------
>
>       Status: Release Backlog  (was: Waiting for rPath)
>      Benefit:   (was: 4 - Large)
>     Assignee: rPL Desktop Integration Team  (was: Michael K. Johnson)
>
> I'd like to ask the whole desktop integration team to audit the font set and make a suggestion for the best default set.
>
>   
>> Fonts in RPL2
>> -------------
>>
>>                 Key: RPL-926
>>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-926
>>             Project: rPath Linux
>>          Issue Type: New Feature
>>      Security Level: Public(Viewable by anyone) 
>>    Affects Versions: rPath Linux Development
>>            Reporter: Pavel Volkovitskiy
>>         Assigned To: rPL Desktop Integration Team
>>
>> There is no good fonts in rpl:devel afaik, but this really important for desktop
>> so i suggest to add DejaVu fonts (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fonts/DejaVu) and make it default fonts
>> (now packaged as dejavu-ttf in contrib)
>> also there is very clean fixed width font called terminus (http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html)
>> (now packaged as  terminus-font in contrib)
>> There is one issue with terminus.. it's bitmap font and bitmap fonts disabled in fontconfig by default in rpl:devel afaik (am i'm wrong?)
>> so, i'm not sure what to do with this, but the first thing i'm doing after system install - install terminus for konsole/other terminal
>>     
>
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> nss and nspr badly packaged in rpl:devel
> ----------------------------------------
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>                 Key: RPL-933
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-933
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> both the nss and nspr packages are putting headers in the wrong places wich makes a lot of apps to fail to discover them thru autoconf. gaim is a such example (just try to use the gaim in rpl:devel with  MSN...) of a direct effect of this. 
> in  reloaded.rpath.org@fl-alpha2:last_resort you can find fixed packages (shadows from rpl:devel) 
> Plz do note that my solution (choosen include paths) is similar to the one i implemented in foresight and isn 't the only one. basically i choose the easiest solution (the one that forces me to fix less third party packages) 

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s/rpl team/rpl desktop team/

> nss and nspr badly packaged in rpl:devel
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>                 Key: RPL-933
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-933
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> in  reloaded.rpath.org@fl-alpha2:last_resort you can find fixed packages (shadows from rpl:devel) 
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> nss and nspr badly packaged in rpl:devel
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>                 Key: RPL-933
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-933
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Hi all.


I've been doing some little work in the reloaded repo in advance of the
jump (post 1.0) of foresight to an rpl:2 base.

(all i have done is tested/cooked in a x86_64 env.)

what is atm available is in several thematic branches ...

    * @fl-alpha2:gnome for the latest (2.17.4 atm) gnome
    * @fl-alpha2:last_resort for stuff that IMHO either shouldn 't be
      there but be part of stock rpl:devel/rpl:2 (things like the
      tango-theme, etc) or stuff that is atm broked in rpl:devel
    * @fl-alpha2:devel for stuff foresight or (reloaded) repo specific.

Support for nvidia drivers (and ipw3945) is available already, as is
available a  xorg-server package that  cooks  cleanly  against  the
latest Mesa.  (all with latest patchsets and security  fixes)

so, in order to give it a try just do... an update
group-dist=@fl-alpha2:devel['!ati,nvidia'] if you have a nvidia card or
an update  group-dist=@fl-alpha2:devel['!ati,!nvidia'] if not. (ati
driver fglrx support is in our group-dist but not cooked due to my
inability to test/verify it)
 

This is an (very early) work in progress...

feedback is welcome


All the best, and have a nice weekend


António


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Hi all. <br>
<br>
<br>
I've been doing some little work in the reloaded repo in advance of the
jump (post 1.0) of foresight to an rpl:2 base. <br>
<br>
(all i have done is tested/cooked in a x86_64 env.)<br>
<br>
what is atm available is in several thematic branches ... <br>
<br>
<ul>
  <li>@fl-alpha2:gnome for the latest (2.17.4 atm) gnome <br>
  </li>
  <li>@fl-alpha2:last_resort for stuff that IMHO either shouldn 't be
there but be part of stock rpl:devel/rpl:2 (things like the
tango-theme, etc) or stuff that is atm broked in rpl:devel</li>
  <li>@fl-alpha2:devel for stuff foresight or (reloaded) repo specific.
    <br>
  </li>
</ul>
Support for nvidia drivers (and ipw3945) is available already, as is
available a&nbsp;
xorg-server package that&nbsp; cooks&nbsp; cleanly&nbsp; against&nbsp; the latest Mesa.&nbsp;
(all with latest patchsets and security&nbsp; fixes) <br>
<br>
so, in order to give it a try just do... an update
group-dist=@fl-alpha2:devel['!ati,nvidia'] if you have a nvidia card or
an update&nbsp; group-dist=@fl-alpha2:devel['!ati,!nvidia'] if not. (ati
driver fglrx support is in our group-dist but not cooked due to my
inability to test/verify it) <br>
&nbsp; <br>
<br>
This is an (very early) work in progress... <br>
<br>
feedback is welcome<br>
<br>
<br>
All the best, and have a nice weekend<br>
<br>
<br>
Ant&oacute;nio <br>
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by default rpl:devel ships with a 32bit firefox even if we are in a
x86_64 box which duplicates too much stuff. Main  reason seems to be
support for popular plugins (specially flash).

Well, i packaged (in reloaded.rpath.org@fl-alpha2:last_resort)
nspluginwrapper
(http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/projects/nspluginwrapper) which just
allows an user to run all popular x86 plugins just inside a native
x86_64 firefox. And, it works!

What would i like to propose and introduce to wider discussion is ..

    * a) make rpl:devel ship by default with a native firefox in x86_64
      installs
    * b) make nspluginwrapper a default install in x86_64 installs
    * c) propose a new 'feature' to conary - a new taghandler that would
      automagically identify  mozilla/ffox plugins (everything that goes
      inside %(libdir)s/firefox/plugins/ and (in x86_64 land ) calls
      'nspluginwrapper -i ...' . that way we would have transparent  
      support.


As a final note, since the latest flashplayer  in rBo   was v9beta1 i
packed beta2 to flashplayer=@fl-alpha2:devel which together with
flashplayer=g@fl-alpha2:last_resort works really well (youtube included)
with stock firefox from rpl:devel.


All the best,

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by default rpl:devel ships with a 32bit firefox even if we are in a
x86_64 box which duplicates too much stuff. Main&nbsp; reason seems to be
support for popular plugins (specially flash). <br>
<br>
Well, i packaged (in reloaded.rpath.org@fl-alpha2:last_resort)
nspluginwrapper
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/projects/nspluginwrapper">http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/projects/nspluginwrapper</a>) which just
allows an user to run all popular x86 plugins just inside a native
x86_64 firefox. And, it works! <br>
<br>
What would i like to propose and introduce to wider discussion is ..<br>
<ul>
  <li>a) make rpl:devel ship by default with a native firefox in x86_64
installs</li>
  <li>b) make nspluginwrapper a default install in x86_64 installs</li>
  <li>c) propose a new 'feature' to conary - a new taghandler that
would automagically identify&nbsp; mozilla/ffox plugins (everything that
goes inside %(libdir)s/firefox/plugins/ and (in x86_64 land ) calls
'nspluginwrapper -i ...' . that way we would have transparent&nbsp;&nbsp;
support. </li>
</ul>
<br>
As a final note, since the latest flashplayer&nbsp; in rBo &nbsp; was v9beta1 i
packed beta2 to flashplayer=@fl-alpha2:devel which together with
flashplayer=g@fl-alpha2:last_resort works really well (youtube
included) with stock firefox from rpl:devel. <br>
<br>
<br>
All the best, <br>
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I think we should switch to tango for the default desktop theme

> red is the default window border color
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>                 Key: RPL-689
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-689
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> default gnome theme is ugly....red is not a good color
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+1

> red is the default window border color
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> default gnome theme is ugly....red is not a good color
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+1 sounds like you want to be like foresight :)

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> +1
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> > default gnome theme is ugly....red is not a good color
> > do we really want red borders?
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Ken VanDine wrote:
> +1 sounds like you want to be like foresight :)

in this case, yes

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     [ http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-980?page=all ]

Jonathan Smith reassigned RPL-980:
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    Assignee: rPL Desktop Integration Team  (was: Marty Wesley)

opinions from the peanut gallery^W^W desktop integration team? :-)

> include k3b in the distro
> -------------------------
>
>                 Key: RPL-980
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-980
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> I think we should include k3b in the distro for rpl:2. Frankly, gnome's cd burning tools stink, and k3b would take very little to integrate.

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In which group are you considering including it?

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It really doesn't matter so long as its in the distro. Gnome does technically have a cd burning tool, so I'd say group-kde.

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My question was mainly aimed at how easy would it be to remove k3b from package selection during install.  Since that would be taken care of by simply unselecting group-kde, it sounds fine by me to add it to the distro.

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Brasero is an excellent burning tool for GNOME.  I would vote for brasero in group-gnome and k3b in group-kde.  I would say they are on par quality wise.



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Looks like Brasero has only been around for about 3-4 months, just as a note. k3b has been around for many years and has a track record for fixing bugs. But we can look into it nonetheless.

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Since brasero would imply libburn, I'd like to know more about libburn's stability and quality

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Brasero was formerly known as bonfire.  It has been included in Foresight for quite a while and we have been happy with it.  It doesn't use libburn yet, but it will (optionally) in the next version.  So you guys can decide then if you want libburn or just use cdrecord.

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> I think we should include k3b in the distro for rpl:2. Frankly, gnome's cd burning tools stink, and k3b would take very little to integrate.

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I'm with smithj.  Integrate k3b.  I think it can even be built without kdelibs, though you lose features.  It's the best tool for linux, even better than Nero according to reviews I've read.

> include k3b (and maybe brasero) in the distro
> ---------------------------------------------
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> I think we should include k3b in the distro for rpl:2. Frankly, gnome's cd burning tools stink, and k3b would take very little to integrate.

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references for the above: http://www.flexbeta.net/main/articles.php?action=show&id=86&perpage=1&pagenum=5
http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/03/31/2136203&tid=13&tid=47&tid=49
http://techgage.com/article/nerolinux_in-depth_look/3

> include k3b (and maybe brasero) in the distro
> ---------------------------------------------
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There's currently quite a bit in devel that's linked against libXp:

{noformat}
[root@tugboat ~]# conary q --labels libXp
libXp=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1

[root@tugboat ~]# conary erase --labels libXp
Troves being removed create unresolved dependencies:
    xclipboard:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xsm:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xbiff:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xmag:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    Xaw3d:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.5E-11-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xset:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.2-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xmore:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-2-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xgc:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    libXprintUtil:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    libXprintAppUtil:devellib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:devel=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        trove: libXp:devel
    xmessage:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    libXaw:devellib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.2-2-1 requires libXp:devel=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        trove: libXp:devel
    xcalc:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xdpyinfo:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xmh:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    editres:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.3-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    bitmap:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.3-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xkbutils:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xvidtune:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xdm:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.1.3-1-2 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    libXprintAppUtil:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    libXprintUtil:devellib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:devel=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        trove: libXp:devel
    xman:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.2-2-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xditview:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xload:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xrx:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    nas:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.7b-5-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xclock:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.2-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    listres:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xlogo:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-2-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xfd:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    xfontsel:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    viewres:runtime=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.1-1-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
    libXaw:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.2-2-1 requires libXp:lib=conary.rpath.com@rpl:devel/1.0.0-1-1:
        soname: ELF32/libXp.so.6(SysV x86)
{noformat}


> don't include printproto, libXp & friends in rPL 2
> --------------------------------------------------
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>                 Key: RPL-843
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-843
>             Project: rPath Linux
>          Issue Type: New Feature
>      Security Level: Public(Viewable by anyone) 
>    Affects Versions: rPath Linux 2
>            Reporter: David Coulthart
>         Assigned To: rPL Desktop Integration Team
>            Priority: Minor
>
> printproto, libXp, libXprintUtil and libXprintAppUtil are all related to supporting Xprint.  Xprint is regarded as a disaster by most of the X.Org community.  Fedora's current spec file for libXp has comments at the top indicating it is deprecated & slotted for removal.  I believe it makes sense not to include them in rPL 2.  The only possible reason to include them is to support ancient applications that haven't moved to newer APIs such as GTK+ or Qt.  Is there a way to run a conary rq to see if there are any apps that link against these libraries?
> xdpyinfo, xlogo, xman, and xmore in rpl:devel currently have their buildRequires set to require some of these libraries.  I believe all of these applications will build without these libraries, albeit possibly without printing support, but I would argue there are more modern replacements for these applications that can be used if you require printing support.

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      Status: Release Backlog  (was: Triage)
     Benefit:   (was: 4 - Large)
    Assignee: rPL Desktop Integration Team  (was: Michael K. Johnson)

Requesting opinions from the Desktop Integration Team

> images viewer for kde
> ---------------------
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> currently we don't build kuickshow (kde images viewer) because it needs imlib (which has a lot of security issues)
> so i suggest to add gwenview (http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/) as replacement. it uses exiv2 library (http://www.exiv2.org/) to read image metadata
> It also has optional KIPI support (KDE Image Plugin Interface http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kipi/) but i'm not sure if it can be imported too.
> There will be really cool to add digikam (http://www.digikam.org/) 
> ===============
> digiKam is an advanced digital photo management application for KDE, which makes importing and organizing digital photos a "snap". The photos can be organized in albums which can be sorted chronologically, by directory layout or by custom collections.
> ===============
> but i think it's unreal now

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Jonathan Smith commented on RPL-980:
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k3b added

> include k3b (and maybe brasero) in the distro
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> I think we should include k3b in the distro for rpl:2. Frankly, gnome's cd burning tools stink, and k3b would take very little to integrate.

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Michael K. Johnson updated RPL-1045:
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> we need kdnssd-avahi for working zeroconf support in kde
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> we need kdnssd-avahi for working zeroconf support in kde
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> we need kdnssd-avahi for working zeroconf support in kde
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Does brasero replace nautilus-cd-burner?

> include k3b (and maybe brasero) in the distro
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I don't reproduce this issue on a relatively fresh install.  This may be related to the much older installation on your system (say, stored in gconf), or it might be a lack of sufficient dependency information.

> hald is very crashy
> -------------------
>
>                 Key: RPL-903
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-903
>             Project: rPath Linux
>          Issue Type: Bug
>      Security Level: Public(Viewable by anyone) 
>          Components: hal
>    Affects Versions: rPath Linux 2, rPath Linux 2 - alpha 2, rPath Linux Development
>            Reporter: Elliot Peele
>         Assigned To: rPL Desktop Integration Team
>            Priority: Critical
>
> With hald running, I tried to run hal-device-manager. This caused hald to crash and resulted in the following traceback. I have noticed that hald seems to crash on dbus events, so this is more than likely a problem between hald and dbus.
> {noformat}
> [root@enki mnt]# hal-device-manager 
> Introspect error: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/hal-device-manager", line 20, in ?
>     DeviceManager()
>   File "/usr/share/hal/device-manager/DeviceManager.py", line 87, in __init__
>     self.update_device_list()
>   File "/usr/share/hal/device-manager/DeviceManager.py", line 187, in update_device_list
>     self.virtual_root = self.build_device_tree()
>   File "/usr/share/hal/device-manager/DeviceManager.py", line 258, in build_device_tree
>     properties = device_dbus_obj.GetAllProperties(dbus_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device")
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 25, in __call__
>     ret = self._proxy_method (*args, **keywords)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 102, in __call__
>     reply_message = self._connection.send_with_reply_and_block(message, timeout)
>   File "dbus_bindings.pyx", line 455, in dbus_bindings.Connection.send_with_reply_and_block
> dbus_bindings.DBusException: The name org.freedesktop.Hal was not provided by any .service files
> {noformat}

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> hald is very crashy
> -------------------
>
>                 Key: RPL-903
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-903
>             Project: rPath Linux
>          Issue Type: Bug
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>          Components: hal
>    Affects Versions: rPath Linux 2, rPath Linux 2 - alpha 2, rPath Linux Development
>            Reporter: Elliot Peele
>         Assigned To: Elliot Peele
>            Priority: Critical
>
> With hald running, I tried to run hal-device-manager. This caused hald to crash and resulted in the following traceback. I have noticed that hald seems to crash on dbus events, so this is more than likely a problem between hald and dbus.
> {noformat}
> [root@enki mnt]# hal-device-manager 
> Introspect error: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/hal-device-manager", line 20, in ?
>     DeviceManager()
>   File "/usr/share/hal/device-manager/DeviceManager.py", line 87, in __init__
>     self.update_device_list()
>   File "/usr/share/hal/device-manager/DeviceManager.py", line 187, in update_device_list
>     self.virtual_root = self.build_device_tree()
>   File "/usr/share/hal/device-manager/DeviceManager.py", line 258, in build_device_tree
>     properties = device_dbus_obj.GetAllProperties(dbus_interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device")
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 25, in __call__
>     ret = self._proxy_method (*args, **keywords)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 102, in __call__
>     reply_message = self._connection.send_with_reply_and_block(message, timeout)
>   File "dbus_bindings.pyx", line 455, in dbus_bindings.Connection.send_with_reply_and_block
> dbus_bindings.DBusException: The name org.freedesktop.Hal was not provided by any .service files
> {noformat}

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> include k3b (and maybe brasero) in the distro
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               Status: Accepted Backlog  (was: Iteration Backlog)
        Fix Version/s: March 15th, 2007
                       rPath Linux 2
                        rPath Linux 2 - alpha 3
    Affects Version/s: rPath Linux Development
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Taking this as it being listed as a buildreq for several kde recipes is blocking doing a rebuild.

> we need kdnssd-avahi for working zeroconf support in kde
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: RPL-1045
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-1045
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>          Issue Type: New Feature
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>             Fix For: March 15th, 2007, rPath Linux 2, rPath Linux Development,  rPath Linux 2 - alpha 3
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>   Original Estimate: 2h
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> Internal kdnssd implementation in kdelibs works with apple's mdnsresponder, which doesn't packaged
> there is separate implementation which uses avahi, we should use it instead

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> we need kdnssd-avahi for working zeroconf support in kde
> --------------------------------------------------------
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>                 Key: RPL-1045
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-1045
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>         Assigned To: Jeff Uphoff
>             Fix For: March 15th, 2007, rPath Linux 2, rPath Linux Development,  rPath Linux 2 - alpha 3
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>   Original Estimate: 2h
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> Internal kdnssd implementation in kdelibs works with apple's mdnsresponder, which doesn't packaged
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Pavel Volkovitskiy commented on RPL-1000:
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exiv2 is already packaged in foresight repo

> images viewer for kde
> ---------------------
>
>                 Key: RPL-1000
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-1000
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>          Issue Type: New Feature
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>
> currently we don't build kuickshow (kde images viewer) because it needs imlib (which has a lot of security issues)
> so i suggest to add gwenview (http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/) as replacement. it uses exiv2 library (http://www.exiv2.org/) to read image metadata
> It also has optional KIPI support (KDE Image Plugin Interface http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kipi/) but i'm not sure if it can be imported too.
> There will be really cool to add digikam (http://www.digikam.org/) 
> ===============
> digiKam is an advanced digital photo management application for KDE, which makes importing and organizing digital photos a "snap". The photos can be organized in albums which can be sorted chronologically, by directory layout or by custom collections.
> ===============
> but i think it's unreal now

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Pavel Volkovitskiy commented on RPL-1000:
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summary:
 i suggest to add exiv2, kipi, gwenview and digikam

kipi, gwenview and digikam packaged in kde.rpath.org

> images viewer for kde
> ---------------------
>
>                 Key: RPL-1000
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-1000
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>
> currently we don't build kuickshow (kde images viewer) because it needs imlib (which has a lot of security issues)
> so i suggest to add gwenview (http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/) as replacement. it uses exiv2 library (http://www.exiv2.org/) to read image metadata
> It also has optional KIPI support (KDE Image Plugin Interface http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kipi/) but i'm not sure if it can be imported too.
> There will be really cool to add digikam (http://www.digikam.org/) 
> ===============
> digiKam is an advanced digital photo management application for KDE, which makes importing and organizing digital photos a "snap". The photos can be organized in albums which can be sorted chronologically, by directory layout or by custom collections.
> ===============
> but i think it's unreal now

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+1

> images viewer for kde
> ---------------------
>
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>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-1000
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> currently we don't build kuickshow (kde images viewer) because it needs imlib (which has a lot of security issues)
> so i suggest to add gwenview (http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/) as replacement. it uses exiv2 library (http://www.exiv2.org/) to read image metadata
> It also has optional KIPI support (KDE Image Plugin Interface http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kipi/) but i'm not sure if it can be imported too.
> There will be really cool to add digikam (http://www.digikam.org/) 
> ===============
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Michael, 

Unless i'm missing something obvious, the derived package implementation, doesn't seem to provide easy ways to solve this... 

> how will rpl:2 deal with proprietary graphics drivers ... 
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>
> I understand that out of the box rpl:2 is a pure OSS distro, shipping only with opensource components. that said, if it wants to be  taken seriously as a desktop contender steps must be taken to allow users thru conary to install third-party graphics drivers smoothly, without resorting to hacks. 
> So after an irc chat with David Christian, i'm bringing this issue to wider discussion - The issue, in current rpl:1 is simple - Both nvidia and ati drivers want to overwrite some Mesa/xorg files (libglx related) and conary won 't allow that. The road we have taken in foresight after much talk with all the usual suspects - dugan, msw, mkj - was to follow a dugan's idea and get a flavoured group-dist and distro-release combo. 
> So, in our approach by default both group-dist and distro release are ['!nvidia,!ati'] forcing the standard xorg-server and Mesa packages to be installed. When any of the flavours get activated Mesa and xorg-server are reinstalled in the corresponding flavour which eliminates the current file conflicts. 
> This method isn 't  pretty but proved to work to us in the last months. So, what i propose is having rpl:2 and foresight to share this solution (which allows for a single xorg package base) or get some way of conary handling this, as it is critical, from a desktop user point of view. 
> references - look at group-dist, xorg-server, Mesa and distro-release in the fl:1 repo

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{{!nvidia,!ati}}, {{nvidia,!ati}}, and {{!nvidia,ati}} flavored derived packages of xorg-server and Mesa in foresight, and group-dist being cooked with correct related flavors.

Derived packages are not yet complete; we have other issues regarding making derived packages substantially complete (CNY-1283, CNY-1284).

> how will rpl:2 deal with proprietary graphics drivers ... 
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>
> I understand that out of the box rpl:2 is a pure OSS distro, shipping only with opensource components. that said, if it wants to be  taken seriously as a desktop contender steps must be taken to allow users thru conary to install third-party graphics drivers smoothly, without resorting to hacks. 
> So after an irc chat with David Christian, i'm bringing this issue to wider discussion - The issue, in current rpl:1 is simple - Both nvidia and ati drivers want to overwrite some Mesa/xorg files (libglx related) and conary won 't allow that. The road we have taken in foresight after much talk with all the usual suspects - dugan, msw, mkj - was to follow a dugan's idea and get a flavoured group-dist and distro-release combo. 
> So, in our approach by default both group-dist and distro release are ['!nvidia,!ati'] forcing the standard xorg-server and Mesa packages to be installed. When any of the flavours get activated Mesa and xorg-server are reinstalled in the corresponding flavour which eliminates the current file conflicts. 
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    Resolution: Won't Fix

> how will rpl:2 deal with proprietary graphics drivers ... 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>            Priority: Major - SEV 2
>
> I understand that out of the box rpl:2 is a pure OSS distro, shipping only with opensource components. that said, if it wants to be  taken seriously as a desktop contender steps must be taken to allow users thru conary to install third-party graphics drivers smoothly, without resorting to hacks. 
> So after an irc chat with David Christian, i'm bringing this issue to wider discussion - The issue, in current rpl:1 is simple - Both nvidia and ati drivers want to overwrite some Mesa/xorg files (libglx related) and conary won 't allow that. The road we have taken in foresight after much talk with all the usual suspects - dugan, msw, mkj - was to follow a dugan's idea and get a flavoured group-dist and distro-release combo. 
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> Fonts in RPL2
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>
> There is no good fonts in rpl:devel afaik, but this really important for desktop
> so i suggest to add DejaVu fonts (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fonts/DejaVu) and make it default fonts
> (now packaged as dejavu-ttf in contrib)
> also there is very clean fixed width font called terminus (http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html)
> (now packaged as  terminus-font in contrib)
> There is one issue with terminus.. it's bitmap font and bitmap fonts disabled in fontconfig by default in rpl:devel afaik (am i'm wrong?)
> so, i'm not sure what to do with this, but the first thing i'm doing after system install - install terminus for konsole/other terminal

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> images viewer for kde
> ---------------------
>
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>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-1000
>             Project: rPath Linux
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>            Priority: Major - SEV 2
>
> currently we don't build kuickshow (kde images viewer) because it needs imlib (which has a lot of security issues)
> so i suggest to add gwenview (http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/) as replacement. it uses exiv2 library (http://www.exiv2.org/) to read image metadata
> It also has optional KIPI support (KDE Image Plugin Interface http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kipi/) but i'm not sure if it can be imported too.
> There will be really cool to add digikam (http://www.digikam.org/) 
> ===============
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    Fix Version/s: July 19, 2007

> images viewer for kde
> ---------------------
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>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-1000
>             Project: rPath Linux
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>            Priority: Major - SEV 2
>             Fix For: July 19, 2007
>
>
> currently we don't build kuickshow (kde images viewer) because it needs imlib (which has a lot of security issues)
> so i suggest to add gwenview (http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/) as replacement. it uses exiv2 library (http://www.exiv2.org/) to read image metadata
> It also has optional KIPI support (KDE Image Plugin Interface http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kipi/) but i'm not sure if it can be imported too.
> There will be really cool to add digikam (http://www.digikam.org/) 
> ===============
> digiKam is an advanced digital photo management application for KDE, which makes importing and organizing digital photos a "snap". The photos can be organized in albums which can be sorted chronologically, by directory layout or by custom collections.
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    Fix Version/s: July 19, 2007

> how will rpl:2 deal with proprietary graphics drivers ... 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
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>            Priority: Major - SEV 2
>             Fix For: July 19, 2007
>
>
> I understand that out of the box rpl:2 is a pure OSS distro, shipping only with opensource components. that said, if it wants to be  taken seriously as a desktop contender steps must be taken to allow users thru conary to install third-party graphics drivers smoothly, without resorting to hacks. 
> So after an irc chat with David Christian, i'm bringing this issue to wider discussion - The issue, in current rpl:1 is simple - Both nvidia and ati drivers want to overwrite some Mesa/xorg files (libglx related) and conary won 't allow that. The road we have taken in foresight after much talk with all the usual suspects - dugan, msw, mkj - was to follow a dugan's idea and get a flavoured group-dist and distro-release combo. 
> So, in our approach by default both group-dist and distro release are ['!nvidia,!ati'] forcing the standard xorg-server and Mesa packages to be installed. When any of the flavours get activated Mesa and xorg-server are reinstalled in the corresponding flavour which eliminates the current file conflicts. 
> This method isn 't  pretty but proved to work to us in the last months. So, what i propose is having rpl:2 and foresight to share this solution (which allows for a single xorg package base) or get some way of conary handling this, as it is critical, from a desktop user point of view. 
> references - look at group-dist, xorg-server, Mesa and distro-release in the fl:1 repo

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    Fix Version/s: July 19, 2007

> Fonts in RPL2
> -------------
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>                 Key: RPL-926
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-926
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>
>
> There is no good fonts in rpl:devel afaik, but this really important for desktop
> so i suggest to add DejaVu fonts (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fonts/DejaVu) and make it default fonts
> (now packaged as dejavu-ttf in contrib)
> also there is very clean fixed width font called terminus (http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html)
> (now packaged as  terminus-font in contrib)
> There is one issue with terminus.. it's bitmap font and bitmap fonts disabled in fontconfig by default in rpl:devel afaik (am i'm wrong?)
> so, i'm not sure what to do with this, but the first thing i'm doing after system install - install terminus for konsole/other terminal

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> how will rpl:2 deal with proprietary graphics drivers ... 
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>            Assignee: rPL Desktop Integration Team
>            Priority: Major - SEV 2
>             Fix For: July 19, 2007
>
>
> I understand that out of the box rpl:2 is a pure OSS distro, shipping only with opensource components. that said, if it wants to be  taken seriously as a desktop contender steps must be taken to allow users thru conary to install third-party graphics drivers smoothly, without resorting to hacks. 
> So after an irc chat with David Christian, i'm bringing this issue to wider discussion - The issue, in current rpl:1 is simple - Both nvidia and ati drivers want to overwrite some Mesa/xorg files (libglx related) and conary won 't allow that. The road we have taken in foresight after much talk with all the usual suspects - dugan, msw, mkj - was to follow a dugan's idea and get a flavoured group-dist and distro-release combo. 
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> Fonts in RPL2
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>             Fix For: July 19, 2007
>
>
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> also there is very clean fixed width font called terminus (http://www.is-vn.bg/hamster/jimmy-en.html)
> (now packaged as  terminus-font in contrib)
> There is one issue with terminus.. it's bitmap font and bitmap fonts disabled in fontconfig by default in rpl:devel afaik (am i'm wrong?)
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> images viewer for kde
> ---------------------
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>                 Key: RPL-1000
>                 URL: http://issues.rpath.com/browse/RPL-1000
>             Project: rPath Linux
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>             Fix For: July 19, 2007
>
>
> currently we don't build kuickshow (kde images viewer) because it needs imlib (which has a lot of security issues)
> so i suggest to add gwenview (http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/) as replacement. it uses exiv2 library (http://www.exiv2.org/) to read image metadata
> It also has optional KIPI support (KDE Image Plugin Interface http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kipi/) but i'm not sure if it can be imported too.
> There will be really cool to add digikam (http://www.digikam.org/) 
> ===============
> digiKam is an advanced digital photo management application for KDE, which makes importing and organizing digital photos a "snap". The photos can be organized in albums which can be sorted chronologically, by directory layout or by custom collections.
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